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Halacha - A couple of Shabbos questions
Submitted by Julia  Answered by Rav Peretz Moncharsh
Question: HI, I am trying to learn but getting a bit confused over different things I have read and been told in different places :) First question, I was told to put tin foil in the bottom of my crckpot scrunched up. Then I read it should be flat and not screwed up. Then I asked someone about this and got told both are right but answer different issues (I think!) . So, what should I do, scrunch or not scrunch, balls or flat sheet? (And why?) Thanks! Second question, I was told that I can make coffee straight from my thermos because it is a kli sheni, but then I read that some opinions count a thermos as a kli rishon becase it is insulated so keeps the sme heat as the first vessel. So should I be using a second cup when I make coffee from my thermos or not please? Another question that occured to me today, I normally have fruit juice but had run out, so I poured squash instead. I often make orange squash by putting the water in the glass first and adding the squash to the strength I want. Am I right that I shouldnt do it that way round so I don't colour the water or doesn't it matter? One more question, while I was looking through the questions here I saw that someone had asked a question and been told to use tin foil double wrapped to heat a dairy food on pan on a meat hotplate. I had read that one shouldn't generally double wrap on Shabbos because it would be considered that the inside layer of foil was ok but the outside layer is to keep the food hot. I want to make sure I am udnerstanding this right- is it only because there is a second overriding reason for double wrapping, the kashrus issue, that douple wrapping is allowed in this case, and so the wrapping doesnt count as being to keep heat in even though it does that too? Or am I missing something else? :) THanks!
Answer:

1) While not all Poskim require it at all, there are reasons to do both. Lining the inside of the base of the Crockpot serves as a blech, a covering for the heating element. Furthermore, some are concerned that the walls of the base serve as hatmana, covering in insulating material, for the pot. To resolve this' they recommend balls of foil that would lift the floor of the pot off of the base, and hatmana is not an issue without direct contact between the pot and the insulation. Other Poskim rule that since there is no insulation over the top of the pot, there is no problem of hatmana in any event.

2) While there are different opinions, a thermos is a kli sheini despite its insulating properties, because the container was not heated directly on the fire and the walls of the thermos will not make the water any warmer than it was originally. So you may make instant coffee directly from a thermos, however coffee grinds are more problematic because they may be kalei habishul, which are cooked even in a kli sheini.

3) As a general rule there is no problem of tzoveya, dyeing, with food on Shabbos, because we assume your primary interest is the flavor not the color. So while there are grounds to be machmir, it is permitted even to add the squash to the water. Diluting a child's juice, where it may be more important to make it look like juice than the flavor, is more problematic.

4) When the second layer is for purposes other than preserving heat, it is permitted even without any extenuating circumstances.

 

2) While there are different opinions, a thermos is a kli sheini despite its insulative properties, because the container was not heated directly on the fire and the walls of the thermos will not make the water any warmer than it was originally. So you may make instant coffe directly from a thermos, however coffe grinds are more problematic because they may be kalei habishul, which are cooked even in a kli sheini.

3) As a general rule there is no problem od tzoveya, dyeing, with food on Shabbos, because we assume your primary interest is the flavor not the color. So while there are grounds to be machmir, it is permitted even to add the squash to the water. Diluting a child's juice, where it may be more important to make it look lije jusice than the flavoe, is more problamatic.

4) Whent the second layer is for purposes other than preserving heat' it is permitted even without any extenuating curcumstances.

posted:2009-01-31 17:14:19


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